Buy RT, fly only OW, is that ok?
I am going to accumulate mileage on that flight, i.e. Air Canada / Lufthansa would be able to identify me. Could there be a problem? I don't want to get a nasty phone call from Lufthansa Miles&More or Air Canada.
On US trips they would not dare to challenge these because they would drive people to other airlines.Let's face it if someone is determined not to pay the stupid full fares they can do it and not stay over Sat. night
act together. sometimes it is hard enough
to get credit when you do fly so if it doesn't show you traveling on the way
back how can they know that you didn't use
another star alliance members ff number.or
maybe you forgot to give it all together
The only lists that AC has are those who book "back to back" ticketing.
AB: Come on, you don't book _Websaver_ fares do you?
But Tax Dude, you forgot that he claims that websaver fares are like free.
That fare is for RT, and you are booking it and announcing to the TA and the airline that you are intending to return to your origin. If that is not the case then you are misleading the airline, and therefor why should they give you a deal if you are misrepresenting your true intentions.
If you follow the regs and watch all the airlines you will find a fare that is affordable to your particular situation.
Your company is being penny wise and pound foolish, this could come back to embarrass them.
A couple of years ago, Brancatelli ( www.joesentme.com (http://www.joesentme.com) ) used Diet Coke in two analogies with the airline. I'm sure these parts are me embellishing a bit, Joe would be more focussed:
1. You buy the 2L bottle for 99c instead of the 600mL bottle for $1.49, drink half and toss the rest away. Coca-Cola claims your purchase of a 2L bottle includes a contract (printed on the back of the label, no doubt) that you will consume all 2L, demands you pay the extra 50c and puts you on a ****list for not consuming all you paid for.
2. Coca-Cola starts putting its Diet Coke labels on bottles of Diet Pepsi. They spell these codeshared bottles "diet Coke" and expect you to understand that bottles beginning with a different letter are not really their product.
andrew
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1. Travel is booked by larger corporations or travel agents, where behaviour and travel patterns can be closely measured by the airlines, and they can enforce meaningful sanctions for non-compliance;
2. The traveller is caught in a situation where the ticket needs to be changed or modified, and it becomes clear to the airline that the back-to-back technique was used.
In my earlier years of flying business trips, I made extensive use of back to back tickets (rarely needed throwaway, because indeed I used all segments). The only time this 'cost' was when an employee who rarely travels wanted to change the return segment of a 'split ticket' and (agghhh!) lost the original flight coupons. No way -- rightfully -- was the airline going to co-operate in reissuing.
Now, we have many more options that make back to back unnecessary. Aeroplan, even with capacity control, often works for otherwise expensive business trips, and in Canada, discount carriers and Tango have thrown away the 'over saturday' rule.
Are back to back and throwaway tickets morally and legally right? That is another question, and there my views have shifted somewhat. The best comparison is to software piracy. Is it 'right' for Microsoft to charge $800 for a floppy disk with Office software? Why not make a copy? Or if you want to have a 'real' copy, arrange with a student to buy it in his/her own name and claim student discount rights? Cheating, all.
The real art is to find ways to get things at highly discounted prices, all within the law and within appropriate tarrif/licensing rules. It took a while, but I've now learned how to be completely legal in airline travel without paying anywhere near a Y fare. Ditto for software. But I won't deny that to get there I had to travel the tortuous path of breaking the rules enough to know how to manage things so that the rules don't need to be broken. Fortunately, market pressures, within the airline industry at least, are making many of the old rules archaic and irrelevant to most travelers.
More likely, if the airline became aware of the situation and decided to pursue it they might go after the travel agent, who might in turn decide to charge your credit card. And theoretically, if you tried to use the same airline sometime in the future to come home, they might have some recourse, denying you boarding until you ponied up the difference. Finally, if you have FF points or status, those could be "cancelled."
So no, it's not ok, but it's done often.
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andrew
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I miss Canadian Airlines
AC does not have any lists of violating customers. We turn a blind eye. " I see nothing,I hear nothing".....
The only lists that AC has are those who book "back to back" ticketing.
That must be the longest list AC has. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/biggrin.gif
AC does not have any lists of violating customers. We turn a blind eye. " I see nothing,I hear nothing".....
The only lists that AC has are those who book "back to back" ticketing.
They would probably go blind if the tried to find the end of such a list. http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/smile.gif
Have they really ever done anything to anyone on Back to Back's? I have heard of about 3 times where people got busted in the last 6 years.
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anything. Like it was said before you could not have made it for any number of reasons
Real-life example: I'm on an AC websaver fare, I present myself for the return flight, the flight is delayed by 2 hours. I don't have time to wait, so I walk over to AA and buy a one-way on their flight. It seems utterly absurd to suggest that AC could take action against me for not waiting for their flight.
I was going to make an analogy to software piracy, then saw marbuck mentioned s.p. too.
Anyway, like software piracy, there's no practical way to stop individuals, or even small companies, from sharing software illegally. But with larger companies, it's much easier. Tell me (the overworked IT drone) to install one copy onto a hundred machines? I'd demand it in writing! I suspect in larger companies, getting the company the sign an agreement not to do back-to-back, then having in-house TA to enforce it, is probably practical.
Please note I'm not saying back-to-back is on the same scale as software piracy, just that the approach to preventing it in large corps can be similar.
andrew
But one other answer is, while you're moving permanently to Germany, do you have no plans ever to return for a visit?
This leads to two possibilities: (1) half the visit trip is paid for; and (2) if you _might_ use it to come back for a visit, in theory you are not breaking the rules by buying a return ticket.
andrew
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